Monday, February 4, 2013

voyager


Stardust from PostPanic, a short film about Voyager I. I originally thought of Mycroft when I saw this, but I'm not sure how much he's going to like it, given it's mostly computer generated and not real footage. It is beautiful though. 

So. I am signed up for the FME course in Birmingham. It starts one week from today. I'll leave the night before, mostly because it starts early enough that I'd have to be on the road long before I prefer to even be conscious to make it in time, but also because I think saying goodbye to Sherlock before he has to leave for school would be disastrous. At least this way he'll have Sunday evening with L to get used to the idea and make biscuits or something. 

No, to make mango eggs, he's just told me. (Hope you're prepared, L...) He also says he'll be fine and he's very very grown up now and won't miss me at all and what day am I getting back? If only all it took not to miss people was being grown up. 

Seeing Birmingham again will be a bit strange. The last time I was there, I was a patient at Selly Oak, I think very shortly before they started moving it all to the new Queen Elizabeth Hospital. The time before that I was visiting someone there, and the time before that I worked there for a little while before I was sent to Kosovo. I gather they're turning the site of the old hospital into some sort of residential area? I'd like to see it though, if anything's still there. 

164 comments:

Anonymous said...

How long were you in the army?

Greg Lestrade said...

Mango eggs...right. Yeah.

I didn't quite appreciate the last time you were in Birmingham. I hope it doesn't b ring back too many bad memories. You know I'm only a phonecall away, right?

John H. D. Watson said...

Anon - about 12 years, if you don't count medical school, which I suppose I don't even though the Army paid for it. Funny. It seemed a lot longer than that. Like an entire lifetime.

L - it's all right. I know people there, it'll be good to see them again. Assuming I get a chance - I don't know how intensive this course is.

Greg Lestrade said...

Not half as intensive as the questioning you'll get after, I can promise you ;)

Thought I might do a sort of pithivier for dinner?

John H. D. Watson said...

...A what?

Small Hobbit said...

A pithivier looks very good. Finally, something it's safe to google when L mentions it ;)

Greg Lestrade said...

You taking the pith, Danger? ;)

John H. D. Watson said...

I will be at dinner apparently...

Greg Lestrade said...

It's a sort of pie. We can have mash with it. And a pint of eels :)

John H. D. Watson said...

I've just looked it up - they look very nice. Very...swirly. And the sweet almond dessert version sounds good too.

REReader said...

Finally, something it's safe to google when L mentions it ;)

Hee hee hee! Very true, SH! (And it does look good, in both the sweet and savory versions. :))

Greg Lestrade said...

It's always safe! If you're old enough and have a strong heart :)

Danger, you and sherlock can chop up some ingredients if you want?

REReader said...

Hmmmmmm. I don't know if I'm always old enough... ;D (Actually, I think it's been more, er, eye-opening than dangerous. :D)

Greg Lestrade said...

Sherlock and I just piled onto John on the sofa, to prove how much we'll miss him :) He's only a bit squashed...

John H. D. Watson said...

oof

Sherlock said...

After you do the course can we go and try and find a skeleton that's a king too and be rich if they have treasure and be famous because he's a king?

John H. D. Watson said...

A skeleton that's a king...?

REReader said...

(Like King Tut, perhaps?)

Anon Without A Name said...

That was pretty amazing, wasn't it Sherlock? I was particularly impressed with all the different strands of research they had to do - archaeology, pathology, genealogy, DNA testing - to build the case before they could come to the final conclusion. Great watching them deliver all presentation this morning.

Mind you, I don't think there's many other kings buried under car parks...

Sherlock said...

But if there is we could find them because I'm clever and John will know about dead bodies and bones and Lestrade can do the investigating to check who it is and hopefully there would be gold and jewels and it would be good!

John H. D. Watson said...

Oh! I thought you meant an animated skeleton... an undead one... to fight for his treasure.

In retrospect I have no idea why I thought that.

Greg Lestrade said...

Living in this household is all the excuse you need for thought processes like that... Just try not to ramble on about the undead during your course, yeah?

John H. D. Watson said...

Right, yes. I will keep quiet on the subject of reanimated skeletons. And vampires too.

Sherlock said...

ZOOOMBIIIIIIEEEEEEEES you should ask about them just in case it's a secret. Is dinner ready? Can I have a macaroon?

Anon Without A Name said...

ReRe: just in case the story hasn't made it there, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-21063882

Sherlock: I'm sure it would be fascinating; it sounds as though this was a really complicated puzzle for them to solve - all of the experts had to be able to agree. Not so sure there'd be gold and jewels, sadly, although you might be famous :-)

John - Zombie skeletons?

REReader said...

*googles "skeleton car park"* Oh, I remember hearing about the research on that a while back! I'm sure that the confirmation will be debated yet awhile, academics being what they are, but it is fascinating stuff. :)

REReader said...

Heh, crossing posts, Nameless, but thanks!

John H. D. Watson said...

vampire zombies...

You can have a macaroon after dinner, Sherlock. It'll be ready very soon.

Sherlock said...

Lestrade put spinach AND broccoli in the pie and I'm allergic to them it makes me feel funny and I might die if I eat it.

Greg Lestrade said...

Noe you're not, and you'll feel funnier if you don't eat it.

Sherlock said...

I aaaaaaammmmmm my head will swell up.

REReader said...

What a pity. Spinach an broccoli are two of my absolutely favorite vegetables. (Especially spinach, it goes so well with cheese and oniions.)

Sherlock said...

Yes it's sad.

Anon Without A Name said...

Well, there go those lovely plans for eating nothing but pancakes on PANCAKE DAY :-(

REReader said...

You know, they have shots to help with allergies--I get them (I get four shots every time). It's starts with shots every week, and gradually goes to every two weeks and then every three weeks. I'm sure John will help you look into that, so you don't have to go without.

Sherlock said...

I can just have bacon and cheese and asparagus and things like that I won't mind because I could die if I ate spinach and broccoli

What are shots? Like what people drink?

REReader said...

Shots like injections. I get two in each arm. They are pretty sore for a few days, but you get used to it.

Sherlock said...

it wouldn't cure me of being dead, one of my friends has a special needle that does that if he eats nuts and he might die so Mrs N has a needle to stab him with to make him better except we still have to get a doctor too the injection just works a bit.

Greg Lestrade said...

Pretty sure a couple of shots of vodka would cure you of being allergic to spinach and broccoli - but let's not put it to the test!

REReader said...

Of course, if you are allergic to some foods, you might be allergic to others. You probably should have what they call a scratch test, where they make a lot of little holes in your arms and put bits of allergens in them and see what swells up and what doesn't. That's not fun, but they don't have to do it every week, so it's okay. I didn't get too terribly dizzy or nauseatedl the two times they did that on me.


But maybe one time you just got a bit of an upset stomach that made you think you had a food allergy but wasn't? That happens.

Anonymous said...

or maybe he wants cake instead of vegetables and is just making excuses Rereader?

Greg Lestrade said...

I assure you, he's more allergic to hunger than he is to whichever food he's blacklisted this week.

REReader said...

That's scary for your friend, Sherlock.

It's interesting that so many really bad food allergies are for really good things, like chocolate, and peanuts, and strawberries. Also things in cake and biscuits and dough, like wheat and eggs. Probably best to avoid all the most common allergens til you can be tested.

Sherlock said...

Nooo because I eat cake and nuts and fruit aaaalllllllll the time and I'm fine and I wouldn't be if I was allergic it's just spinach and broccoli and the big beans which are horrible anyway.

He isn't scared at all he wants to see what will happen but he can't in case it really is bad because when it did happen and they found out he was too little to remember.

REReader said...

Alas, you be having sub clinical reactions and not know it--that's what happened with me and sulfa, I was taking it for an ear infection for a week and everything seemed fine, and then woke up all swollen and had to be rushed to a doctor for a shot. Much better to be safe than sorry. If you are prone to food allergies, that is.

Sherlock said...

That's not the same at all I eat those things all the time and if I just ate them for a week then it would be different.

Greg Lestrade said...

don't worry, he has announced, because I won't make him anything else, that he will eat the pie, and that I'll be sorry if it kills him.

REReader said...

But you eat spinach and broccoli quite often, too, so maybe it's not different.

pandabob said...

Great job dealing with that Greg ;-) enjoy your dinner.

REReader said...

Ah, L. I await the results with interest. :)

Greg Lestrade said...

AnonyBob - we ate ours already. He stared at us looking mournful.

pandabob said...

perfect ;-) enjoy the rest of your evening.

Greg Lestrade said...

We will. If we can survive listening to Sherlock's death-throes.

And somehow there is crime-drama on in our flat. Crime drama involving police wanting to retire to spend time with their loved ones. Not sure I can watch!

REReader said...

How operatic! (Sherlock, not the crime drama.)

You could watch something else? Either way, have a good evening.

Greg Lestrade said...

That's an ingenious suggestion! I think Danger was watching it either to get tips for the job, or because he fancies the sergeant, though. I wouldn't dare.

Small Hobbit said...

He may not be alone in fancying the sergeant. ;)

John H. D. Watson said...

Anything's possible...

Greg Lestrade said...

I like to think he wouldn't sink lower than a DI ;)

pandabob said...

Wanting to stop working to spend more time with those you love is a great idea in principle but I suspect people get bored rather quickly when they are used to working and doing something so useful.

John H. D. Watson said...

The DI isn't bad either.

Anon Without A Name said...

I've just been watching that, Lestrade... and there was me thinking that well-dressed DIs don't wear ties :-)

Greg Lestrade said...

Now I really am worried! Really, Thames Valley? Have some class ;)

AnonyBob - I'm sure you're right. I really am. Most of the time... ;)

John H. D. Watson said...

Oxford's a nice city...

REReader said...

:P, L! Have a good evening whatever you do. :)

Greg Lestrade said...

Nameless - as above. If you work for a two-bit force out in the boondocks, what can you expect? ;)

pandabob said...

maybe a short sabbatical would convince you one way or the other Greg? ;-)

I rather like the DI John but then I have a thing for the geordie accent!

Greg Lestrade said...

Next week might convince me one way or the other, AnonyBob, if I survive it intact! ;)

At least the DI is older than me - gives me some hope that Danger will think there's life in this old dog yet.

Greg Lestrade said...

Danger - Oxford's full of murderers and ne'er do wells! I'd certainly never let the boys go to Uni there...all those murderous tutors!

John H. D. Watson said...

All of them seem to have inappropriate relationships with their students, too...before they kill them. Not a great atmosphere for learning.

Greg Lestrade said...

dunno, when I was that age I was more interested in inappropriate relationships than writing essays ;) I'm sure I'd've learnt plenty!

John H. D. Watson said...

But you would've been killed off halfway through the episode, so it wouldn't have done you any good!

Greg Lestrade said...

I could've been one of the completely suspicious looking alibis, trying to explain how my unfeasibly attractive tutor definitely couldn't have killed another bright you thing, without mentioning how I could know this in the middle of the night....


Sherlock says goodbye to you all, as he won't survive the night because I'm so mean, by the way.

John H. D. Watson said...

Honestly, he liked spinach last week. The level of drama is amazing.

True, yeah. I like that better. Except for being jealous of your unfeasibly attractive tutor, obviously.

Greg Lestrade said...

It is. And clearly works up an appetite...

I hope my tutor would be easily bribed to give me good marks ;)

Anon Without A Name said...

Bye, Sherlock, it was nice knowing you! Although I do hope you manage to survive until morning, at least...

John H. D. Watson said...

Ha. What, you mean this inappropriate relationship isn't based on pure true love?

REReader said...

Night night, Sherlock, I'll be quite distracted by the suspense until morning!

Greg Lestrade said...

Danger - I doubt it ;)

I'm going to have a very lonely week next week if there really is a case of death-by-spinach overnight.

Anon Without A Name said...

Do you think he's up there holding his breath for as long as possible? Just to try to scare you?

Not that I know anyone who ever did that kind of thing when they were kids. Of course.

REReader said...

Nameless--but as soon as you go unconscious, you breathe.

Not that I know anyone who tried that as a kid. Of course.

Greg Lestrade said...

I imagine Nameless has grasped that little detail, RR - as has Sherlock, I'm sure! I can't believe he hasn't tried it.

I expect he's either sleeping, or plotting my downfall next week... or just looking forward to breakfast.

pandabob said...

I'm going to guess at all three Greg ;-)

REReader said...

I feel that, under the circumstances, I had better point out that I actually do know someone who tried that as a childhood, with said results. (Also that it wasn't me.)

(From now on I shall try not to forget to end all jokes with /jk, even when it ruins the joke.)

Greg Lestrade said...

/jk is only one keystroke shorter than joke. Or is it an internet thing?

By the way - this Robin Sparkles thing - is that a comedy?

Greg Lestrade said...

...Sherlock is still alive, by the way. And in a bizarre sleeping position, as usual, the wrong way around in the bed, using half his duvet as a pillow and looking generally uncomfortable.

pandabob said...

sleeping kids are so cute (and quiet!) :-)

Anonymous said...

The Robin Sparkles thing is a comedy. I don't watch the show, but I saw the preview for it during the Superbowl and thought of you. It has Niel Patrick Harris in it, and some other people I feel I should know. Not sure when it comes on, but I hope you can find it to watch it!

REReader said...

/jk is only one keystroke shorter than joke. Or is it an internet thing?

Yes, It is an HTML thing--you open a style with some sort of abbreviation in angled brackets, like i for italic, and then close it with the same abbreviation in the same angled brackets, only with the abbreviation preceded by a slash. So /jk would be end joke.


...Sherlock is still alive, by the way.

So much for suspense!

/jk


(And I hope no one sees this until morning. :))

pandabob said...

I hope you have a good day gentlemen.

Have fun at school Sherlock. :-)

Greg Lestrade said...

He nearly died overnight, apparently. But managed to dodge the grim reapeer

Small Hobbit said...

And presumably has gone off to school to complain to Mrs N how he was ill-treated and forcibly fed spinach and broccoli.

Greg Lestrade said...

Undoubtedly. All that battling with death gave him an appetite this morning thhough. He put away a bowl of cereal and scrambled eggs on a muffin this morning.

Anyone else waiting And watching to see how badly the tories implode over the gay marriage bill today? And finding it amazing that Maria Miller had to be the one to push it through? Bet that stuck in her craw a bit.

REReader said...

Well, they do say that breakfast is the most important meal if the day!

(Who's the they that says that, anyway? Because I'd as soon skip it most days.)

I didn't realize that the UK gay marriage bill was being voted on today--should be interesting! (And hopefully pass easily, no matter who it chokes.) It would then have several other steps to become law, wouldn't it? I can tell you how a bill (theoretically) gets through Congress, but have only the sketchiest idea of how the UK system works.

Greg Lestrade said...

About another ten main stages, yes.

It doesn't really make a difference to me, but I hope it does eventually pass. I'm fairly sure it will today, it's a free vote, no party whips.

KHolly said...

RR I can only tell you how a bill becomes a law here if I sing it in my head first.

REReader said...

Schoolhouse Rock?

I have to close my eyes and picture the textbook chart with the little scroll with arms and legs named "Bill". :D

Greg Lestrade said...

Very basically, this one is at second reading in the Commons right now, which is the first vote.

It goes (commons) first, second, committee, report, third (lords) first, second, committee, report (both) amendments, royal assent. If it gets voted in at each stage. Lords will like it less than the commons, for various reasons.

Greg Lestrade said...

I should say the amendments stage can take forever, with each house having to send it back to the other for each amendment until they agree.

REReader said...

Yeah, both houses of Congress here have to pass the identical bill, too.

(Here's the Schoolhouse Rock song I mentioned: http://youtu.be/VxT7QjlvDqM. :))

KHolly said...

My nieces and nephews always look at us funny when my brother and sisters and I start singing stuff like that. But I don't know how they know anything about grammar or civics because I don't remember anything that we learned in school as well as I remember Schoolhouse Rock.

Kestrel337 said...

L, I read over your description three or four times and still didn't understand. I'll look it up later.

RR and KH, is there ANYONE in our demographic who didn't sit in 7th grade civics singing "we the people..." (write in test answer blank)..."in order to form..." (scribble, scribble)...

Kestrel337 said...

Wish I could edit my comment, I read it over and it sounded accusatory. Not meant that way AT ALL; unless I'm accusing me of being a bit slow to understand anything governmental. Even the stuff in the one I'm actually supposed to be represented by.

REReader said...

Wellll...my younger siblings did! I was a bit too early to benefit. I had to memorize the textbook chart!)

(And there was nothing accusatory that I could see! Song lyrics are always easier to remember than lists of things...even when the song lyrics ARE lists of things!: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-F_tT-q8EF0 :D)

Greg Lestrade said...

Kestrel, my explanation was brief to the point of being useless, because I was in a rush. Basically, this first vote ( which occurs at the second reading), is a very very long way off anything being made law. So while it's great to see the country moving to change, it's nothing to get too excited about yet. Personally, I disagree with a massive part of the bill and won't be disappointed if it does change a bit. Although sadly I think it will change to become further from what I'd want, not closer to it.

REReader said...

It's a step, though, yeah? Like the nine US states that have legalized gay marriage. It's not enough, but it's something.

And I have a list song for Sherlock!: Elements. :)

Greg Lestrade said...

Like I said, it's good that the country is moving toward change.

Sherlock said...

Does the second reading just mean reading it out loud so people can hear it or is it something else?

Greg Lestrade said...

not quite - the first reading is exactly that, though. The title of the bill is read out, and an order is made for the bill to be published.

The second reading it is when everyone debates the bill, and then votes for it to go to the next stage. That's what is happening today. Lots of members of parliament from all the different parties are talking about it, and later today they'll vote on it.

Sometimes parties want their members to vote a certain way - and the whips tell them what to do. If something is a three-line whip, and the MP votes the opposite way, that person can be thrown out of their party, effectively. But today is a free vote, so no one is told which way to vote, they can choose for themselves. Sadly a lot of people don't want gay people to be married, so they'll vote against it. But everyone thinks enough people will vote for it that it will pass on to the next stage, which is good.

Sherlock said...

Why do they get to say who can get married and who can't? That's stupid it's none of their business. Can we have cheese for dinner? I put Spider in John's bag so she would be there when he packs so he doesn't forget her.

Greg Lestrade said...

Well, because it's a law like any other law, and our rules say all laws go through the houses of parliament... I know it doesn't seem very fair, but that's how it works. And the MPs try to make up different rules about the law to make people happier with it, and...sometimes they make very bad choices. And sometimes to make one law work, they have to change another law, so they don't disagree - like they will a bit for this one, when they change the equality act to allow for a part of this bill to be passed.

Greg Lestrade said...

And yes, we can have cheese - and is spider going to be okay in a bag for so long? Don't forget to feed her.

Kestrel337 said...

Ah, that makes more sense. Thank you. Social change is always slower than the progressives want, faster than the conservatives want. I take heart from looking at how far we've come. My own parents' marriage wasn't technically legal, Dad being 1/4 Oneida it counted as inter-racial.

(and probably I meant "it sounded accusatory in a Minnesota passive-agressive way")

REReader said...

And Sherlock, who can get married--and how they can get married--needs laws because lots of other laws depend on whether people are married or not, like how much people get taxed.

(Hee, Kestrel--in a New York way, that didn't even register! :))

Sherlock said...

She doesn't need to eat, she's not reallllllll.

Greg Lestrade said...

In this country marriage doesn't impact on how much tax you pay. It does change some things, but when John and I get 'married' we will have the same rights for financial/property things as a man and a woman getting married, already, before this new marriage bill is passed.

REReader said...

That's important.

Greg Lestrade said...

And it's just passed. 400-175

Anon Without A Name said...

Lestrade, I haven't read the bill yet, which bit do you disagree with?

REReader said...

Yay! Was it expected to be so lopsided?

Greg Lestrade said...

Nameless - I think the 'quadruple lock' is utter bollocks. Why can't they leave it that no Minister will be forced to conduct a same-sex marriage and no organisation will be forced to hold them on their premises. That would give everyone the choice whether they wanted to or not, without all the other messing about and opting in and making it illegal for the Church of England to conduct them! And plenty of ministers form the C of E seem to agree, and have said they wouldn't necessarily be against conducting them.

I can't believe anyone would really want to be married by someone who was vehemently against it all. Wouldn't exactly be a joyous ceremony of celebrating a union, would it?

And I'm also against adultery with someone of the same sex not being grounds for divorce. Completely ridiculous.

RR - yes, it was expected to be fairly easy to pass at this stage. Although more than half the Tory vote was against - so much for the Cameron's promises they'd changed their ways.

REReader said...

You're doing a lot better over there than we are over here, that's for sure. Senate Republicans wouldn't let it get to the floor.

Anon Without A Name said...

I think that that the CofE exclusion ceases automatically if they change their own rules, but yeah, I agree with you, it's just shifty pandering to a minority who could be protected in other ways (I know CofE priests who would love to be able to marry gay parishioners).

I didn't realise that same-sex adultery was excluded as grounds for divorce. Is that because they've relied on a definition of adultery from the Marriage Act or something? God, I hope they get that sorted in the committee stage, that's just stupid.

Greg Lestrade said...

As I understand it, though, in the US certain states already allow same sex marriage? Whereas here, either all of England does it or not, some of England can't allow it and other counties not. So in some ways, you're ahead of us. Different countries are forever making different small pushes, toward equality and often it's harder to say what's 'better'. I mean, for countries where being gay is still punishable with a death penalty must look at arguments like these with envy and think it's just details - which it sort of is.

Nameless - yeah, I think it does. And I thinkthe Church of Wales may well be changing their rules for exactly that purpose.

The adultery thing, yes, it is because of the definition of adultery. I hope it will change. I fear it won't.

REReader said...

Nine states, yeah (including my own!), and one recognizes gay marriages from other states--and there are two important Supreme Court cases coming up. But I think 30 states have specifically banned gay marriage by their constitutions and nine by law. So...I don't know how to figure it. Except that the public opinion polls all say more Americans are in favor than not.

That definition of adultery is off, even without the question of gay marriage coming into it!

Greg Lestrade said...

Oh, and in case any of you were wondering, Sherlock's allergy to spinach/broccoli 'got better'. Miraculous, eh?

REReader said...

I do believe in miracles. :)

pandabob said...

24 hour allergies are amazing things ;-)

Are you having a fun evening?

Anonymous said...

I'm only "allergic" to spinach if it's been boiled.

*yick*

REReader said...

Welllll...there's boiled, and then there's boiled. My mother makes a to-die-for vegetable soup that's about 30% spinach. I could eat it all winter long, mmmmmmm! :)

Anonymous said...

As long as it's not slimy...

Small Hobbit said...

Anon, I think maybe boiled cabbage could be worse. It brings back memories of history lessons in the classroom where the teachers had eaten their school dinners.

Greg Lestrade said...

I don't boil it Anon - you'd be safe!

John H. D. Watson said...

I like boiled cabbage...

Greg Lestrade said...

I like most things.

Anyone can like or dislike what they like, unless they're 7 and I'm cooking them dinner :)

Greg Lestrade said...

And I am we'll aware how awkward that sentence is...

pandabob said...

I suspect that if a certain 7 year old actually didn't like something rather than just wanting an excuse to complain you wouldn't make it for him but I might be wrong ;-)

Greg Lestrade said...

We're lucky that neither of the boys are picky. Apart from Sherlock's occasional campaigns against certain things.

And you give me too much credit for being nice. I'd probably just let them go hungry!

pandabob said...

maybe you're right ;-) I was just working on the basis you would never cook food knowing it would go straight in the bin!

REReader said...

My mother used to operate on the premise that if we weren't hungry enough to eat what she cooked, we weren't actually hungry and could therefore skip a meal. (We never had to eat anything, but she wasn't running a restaurant--our choices were eat or don't eat!)

Gotta agree, Anon, I'm not into eating slimy either. :)

Greg Lestrade said...

You're correct, AnonyBob - it's very rare any food even makes it as far as being leftovers here though - like living with a plague of locusts!

Anonymous said...

How do you cook spinach if you don't boil it, L? Because boiled or canned spinach is Just Wrong, but I like it raw, or mixed into things.

In fact, most of the foods I avoid I avoid more for texture than taste, or because there were Unfortunate Repercussions when I tried them. But I am really and truly allergic to carrots.

rsf

Greg Lestrade said...

Normally just chuck it into the mix at the last minute, occasionally just wilt it in a hot pan. Depends what its going with. Don't like boiling things - you loose too many nutrients, and it never adds to the flavour. (obvus exceptions like spuds)

Anonymous said...

I thought jokes were recognisable by being funny.

BumbleAnon

Greg Lestrade said...

You old traditionalist, Bumble Anon

REReader said...

That was gratuitously nasty, BumbleAnon.

pandabob said...

its a theory bumble anon but not one everyone holds to ;-)

Anonymous said...

It seemed a pointless thing to say in the first place. You can't make people find things funny and you said it would ruin the joke for people who did get it. In my opinion it just made you sound whiny which I doubt is what you wanted.

I used a name though because I've been around long enough to know you hate real Anons who don't even pick an Anon name even though no one else, including John and Lestrade ever seem to mind.

Bumble Anon

REReader said...

And in what way does that make your comment less gratuitous or less nasty, Bumble?

Anonymous said...

Only you can decide if you think it gratuitous and nasty, and you clearly have decided both those things. I never thought I would change your feelings on that because no one can change another persons feeling without that person being willing to change. I am not trying to deny you your option to feel in that way. From what I have seen of you I think you generally seem unwilling to think yourself ever to be 'in the wrong', but I'm open minded and maybe my opinion there will change based on your future actions.

What I was doing was offering some context for my comment. You can ignore that. Or you can think on it and wonder if what I said might be true for more than just me and you can think about how other people might 'see' you and you can act on it. You might think about that every disagreement on these blogs seems to involve you. You might wonder on that.

I can't tell you or make you do any of the above. I just offer them up as suggestions for your consideration.

Sorry John for this being my first comments I've been reading the two blogs for a long while and I really enjoy you sharing with us your lives.

Bumble Anon

REReader said...

Bumble, I am well aware that, because I comment often and have been unwilling to derail someone else's blog to respond, I have been seen as an easy target. I am no longer willing to be an easy target, and I refuse to allow myself to be bullied or otherwise attacked without comment. Both John and Lestrade have spoken in the past about not tolerating personal attacks, and I will not tolerate being the target of any such either. (And if you were wondering if you could have the fun of running me off, that's just about the best way of making sure I outlast the blogs.)

I apologize for the derail, John.

Anonymous said...

No not trying to run you off I would find no pleasure in that. I wouldn't wish for anyone to not come here and enjoy sharing John and Lestrade's and the boys lives and bits of London and news.

I was just trying to help you to some looking inwards as well as outwards for the problem. I think I have failed so I will go back to reading again.

Bumble Anon

REReader said...

Bumble, of course I believe you were just "trying to help." Because it is so difficult--nay, almost impossible!--to follow the links from my account here that lead directly to my LiveJournal account (where I have the same username as on Blogger), where someone who wanted to be helpful could easily send me a private message. And it is infinitely more difficult to find me on Twitter, where it would be almost as easy to send me a direct message.

...Oh, but then you couldn't be publicly insulting nor be totally anonymous, could you? So that wouldn't work. Never mind.

Anonymous said...

rereader you need to calm down. Bumble Anon did as you ask people to do and used a name to talk to you, she respected your wishes in that. This is a space that belongs to John and he seems to want anon posting not so people can attack you, which I have seen no evidence of, but so that people can be free to share what they wish to share in a safe and welcoming environment. I would be sad if Bumble Anon hid away again because you took offence at what was said there are lots of us here reading who want to get involved. Most people here seem really lovely, anon or not anon, and the more friends the better party so they say.

REReader said...

Anon, I have absolutely no problem with people posting anonymously per se. There are several perfectly good reasons to do so, of course. And I completely agree, most people here seem lovely, and the more the merrier!

However, if Bumble genuinely wished to be helpful, she or he would have done so privately. This person, however, was misusing anonymity to launch a personal attack without incurring repercussions. (Not that posting a snarky comment can ever be helpful, and claims of helpfulness coming afterwards are a threadbare cover indeed.)

Anonymous said...

Why would anyone bother, though? You've made it clear that you refuse to even think that the problem might be you and you get nasty in return. No-one even wants you to have some big change, they don't want you to do anything but just think about how you come accross on these blogs and how people react to you. They don't want you to leave or to stop commenting or explain yourself or apologise or anything else that involves anyone else. They just want you to think that maybe you are a a part of the problem and then perhaps you would choose to address it. Some of them have said it rudely some have been quite polite. But you won't so people just either stay quiet and try to ignore or stop commenting or find other places to get out their frustration.

This requires no response but I expect it will get one.

REReader said...

I don't pretend to understand what a bully gets out of bullying--they must get something to make it worth bothering.

I do understand, however, that no one who genuinely wants to help another begins by making nasty, snarky comments. I do understand that no one who genuinely wants to help another tries to embarrass them in public, repeatedly, when reaching them privately is both easy and painless. I do understand that someone who does both those things is only using the "wanting to help" card as an attempt to cover up their own nastiness.

If you did not intend to provoke a response, why reanimate a dead discussion?

REReader said...

Btw, if Bumble, or any other Anon, would like to participate in commenting on these blogs... don't refrain on my account, please. While I will always meet attacks in kind, I have less than no interest in continuing in that vein and would never bring it up here at any later date.

If you wish to continue commenting on me, rather than the blogs, I suggest (again) that this is not an appropriate place.

Anonymous said...

That comment is exactly what annoys people about you. I notice no one has jumped to your defence. wonder why

REReader said...

Do you offer advice to strangers on buses as well?

pandabob said...

this stops now!

having an arguement in John and Greg's space is not ok. You know where to find me if you want to but right here this stops now.

REReader said...

Works for me.

Unknown said...

six months later, it's interesting to note how much further Marriage Equality has come, it's been legal in England now for a few weeks! I can't speak to the details that were raised in the above discussion, though... And in the US, the Supreme Court knocked down part of DOMA, which weakens DOMA laws in states that have them. It's a step-by-step process... I know there are folks who would love for the federal government to just make marriage equality the law everywhere in one go, but I think in some ways it's going to be a stronger change by coming one state at a time. It's still hard to wait... but on the other hand, I didn't think we'd get this far so soon!
S

Greg Lestrade said...

S - not quite legal yet. It's getting there - all voted through, but it won't be brought in as law until early next year.

I know you're catching up, but you might not know that John and I are having our wedding later this month :) It won't be a marriage, but a civil partnership. We can change it to a marriage when the law comes in, if we want to.

Even when same sex marriage is brought in, it won't be equal here though. For reasons that I could go into, but if you keep reading you'll find some of them I've already talked about ;)

Unknown said...

ok, thanks, I haven't followed the news as closely as I could, but I did notice that another milestone had been reached, at least. Bit by bit. I think here in Mass. we are coming up on the ten year mark, and of course none of the dire hysterics have come to pass... the only thing that's changed is, now same sex couples can get married, and it's no bigger a deal than an opposite sex couple any more. By going state-by-state, we have this to show other states, that there's really no harm in it. I hope that helps lend momentum to the Equality movement.

I have peeked ahead at some of the current posts, and I'm very excited for your big day! I know in some ways it doesn't matter what it's called... and in other ways it matters a lot. I'm SO happy for the two of you, this represents such a lot of growth for each/both of you, and there's an important ripple effect out to your family, extended family, community, etc.
<3
S

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