Wednesday, January 30, 2013

caput mortuum

Hi this is Sherlock and today I learned that there used to be a colour of paint that was made from ground up Egyptian mummies, it was called caput mortuum or mummy brown or some other things but those two make the most sense. We had a man come to our school today to talk to us about painting and they might do an extra class sometimes that people could sign up for and I think I'd like that but we didn't get to do any today because Mrs N said they didn't have all the things and it was too messy but I think I would take the class if they do it.

The painter's name was Mr Berns with an E, not like fire, and he also restores paintings for a museum but I don't remember which one, and he said there are paints no one uses anymore because they are poisonous or no one can get the things to make them now, and we said like what, and he told us a lot, but mummy brown was the best and when I got home I looked at it on the internet and I found a thing that gives a FAKE MUMMY RECIPE for if you couldn't get real mummies.
Take the carcase of a young man (some say red hair’d) not dying of a Disease but killed; let it lie 24 hours in clear water in the Air: cut the flesh in pieces, to which add Powder of Myrrh and a little Aloes, imbibe it 24 hours in the Spirit of Wine and Turpentine...
I don't see why he should have red hair though or even be young. And also this which is about what the mummies looked like before they were made into a colour.
“They gave noisome smell at all, like pitch, beinge broken; for I broke of all parts of the bodies to see howe the flesh was turned to drugge, and brought home divers heads, hands, arms, and feete for a shewe.”
And John said it sounded a bit disrespectful making dead people into paint but I don't think it's worse than putting them in museums and I think that if I could be a paint when I die that would be all right although only if I got used by a really good painter.  

65 comments:

Greg Lestrade said...

Maybe they could just use a bit of you for paint - a leg or something.And the rest could go to science, or wherever you wanted?

Sounds like a great day. I think you'd really enjoy some more painting - would it be like an after-school club?

Anonymous said...

I agree about the museum thing - it's always seemed disrespectful to me, not because of my beliefs but because of theirs. However they also used ground up mummies as fertiliser and even fuel, which would be worse.

Sherlock said...

I wouldn't want to be fertiliser either.

Yes Mrs N said after school maybe once a week if enough people want to do it and if they can get the things and a proper teacher because she says she doesn't know how.

Greg Lestrade said...

That would be great. Can I come too?

There's a story...sorry, I'm really vague on it - of some guy who brought over some 'tribesmen' or something, from...I can't remember where, but somewhere which would then have been seen as very 'exotic', for the Great Exhibition. And these people were just paid to dress in their native dress so visitors to the exhibition could see them.

Then, on a day off, they went to some of the museums in London, and one of the people found his own father, stuffed, in a case in the Natural History Museum...

It's just...well, sadly really not that hard to believe, but you know, makes the mind boggle, to think of. Anyway, obviously they took the father away and laid him to rest.

Sherlock said...

You can come if you paint things, you can't just watch.

I don't think I'd like it if I found grand-mère in a case for strangers to look at. But being buried under the ground doesn't sound very nice either. I wish people didn't have to die.

Greg Lestrade said...

Yeah, I sometimes wish that too. But if people didn't die and make room for new people, with new ideas, then we wouldn't have lots of the things we have today, possibly.

My Nonna thought being buried in the ground was so horrible that she refused to go to her own sister's grave, when she chose to be put in the ground, not in the walls like most people in Italy.

And I would definitely want to paint! But I think perhaps you might have to go and then teach me what you learn.

Sherlock said...

No you should come! I'll ask Mrs N if it's all right.

They get buried in the walls? Like in the walls of their houses?

Greg Lestrade said...

That's really kind, but I doubt I'll be around to come much. I promise I will if I'm off for the day though, if Mrs N says that's okay.

And no, not walls in their houses - walls in the cemetery.

This picture shows some - each of the squares it like, the size of the end of one coffin, so the coffin is slid in:

http://www.strangehistory.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/graves.jpg

There's almost always a candle, or flickering light, a photo of the person and a vase for flowers, as well as the writing saying who they were and when they were born and died.

Sherlock said...

It's like the little drawers in the mortuary that Molly showed us except decorated.

Greg Lestrade said...

yeah, just like that!

We'll go and see some of my family in the cemetery in Italy. Well, I will, obviously you can stay in the city and eat ice cream instead if you don't fancy it.

pandabob said...

Hows the evening going gentlemen? Relaxation for all I hope :-)

Greg Lestrade said...

Good, thanks. Doing paperwork and watching naked mole rats...

pandabob said...

I'm not sure I should ask what that is but I'm glad you're having a good evening :-)

Sherlock said...

Can we see catacombs too?

REReader said...

Sherlock--The question of whether mummys (or other human remains) should be displayed in museums--or made into paint, or otherwise disturbed at all--is a very complicated and difficult one. Certainly I would agree that being made into a part of a great work of art is no worse than being a museum exhibit, in that it's a form of immortality, or at least a very great longevity!

(But my faith wouldn't permit either one--basically, Orthodox Jews are supposed to be buried so that their bodies disintegrate entirely in time. If you're curious we could talk about it.)

An art course sounds extremely exciting--I hope Mrs N can work it out! And if she does, and you decide to take it, I hope you'll share some of your artwork with us.

Greg Lestrade said...

Ugly little critters! 'Sabre toothed sausages' Attenborough just called them...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/life/Naked_mole_rat

pandabob said...

they do look like rather funny creatures!!

REReader said...

I think this would be an appropriate time to say "Eek! A rat!"

(Although I see regular Norwegian brown rats on a regular basis--subway rider!--and have never actually said "eek". And those have been known to bite people.)

Sherlock said...

I like rats mainly but not as much as degus.

Does that mean you can't give any bits of your body to science or to someone who needs a bit because their body isn't working? John and Lestrade both have a card that says the doctors could take bits of them to help make someone else better when they die but Lestrade said I could have his brain anyway.

Greg Lestrade said...

Mmm, you can look at it. I'm not sure you'd be allowed to keep it. Let's not worry about it right now.

And yeah, they can have any bits of me once I'm dead - figures, doesn't it? Don't want you when you're alive, but happy to pick over your bones once you're gone...

REReader said...

I think degus are a lot cuter!

Organ donation is a wonderful thing, in my opinion, and I honor everyone who has made that decision. But it is a big question in Orthodox Judaism and a matter of great debate, so it depends a lot on what rabbi you ask. Most say it is not at all permitted, and some say it is okay to save someone else's life, and some even say it might be required if someone's life depends on it. It's a part of Jewish religious law that is just not settled. (And really that answer is a big oversimplification--it's a very complicated issue.)

Giving ones body for scientific research I think no Orthodox rabbi says is permitted, because while research certainly saves lives, it does it indirectly.

Oh, and mostly it would be permissible to give a part of your body while you're alive to someone else who needs it to live--like a kidney or bone marrow--because saving lives is so important. But not if it seriously endangers your own life.

pandabob said...

organs are like money, you can't take them with you so why not make good use of them while you're alive and pass them on when you die :-)

Greg Lestrade said...

AnonyBob - Pretty sure there's bits of me no-one would really want...although I guess if you're desperate you'd take a couple of ill-treated lungs.

I certainly don't mind what happens to me.

Does piss me off that I can't donate blood now, but they'll have the rest when I'm dead. But y'know, at least they would take the rest of me, not let it go to waste.

pandabob said...

It is a bit mad isn't it!

There are so many things that are crazy is this bloody country!!

REReader said...

The US has the same overbroad, out-of-date rules about blood donation. Not good.

Greg Lestrade said...

Ah, you can't spend your life being angry, can you. Just got to get on and enjoy the good bits.

John H. D. Watson said...

Wise words.

Greg Lestrade said...

speaking of the good bits ;)

You up for a ride tomorrow then, Danger?

Think I should take her a present?

John H. D. Watson said...

Yeah. Sherlock's mum says she'll pick him up from school so we don't have to worry about getting back by then. Flowers?

Greg Lestrade said...

He'll enjoy that.

Flowers... Dunno, she hasn't heard about Greg the Florist... hard to transport flowers on a bike, too. Yours only have to make it a few streets with me...

John H. D. Watson said...

I was thinking they could be bought after we get there, but I don't even know if she'd like them.

Greg Lestrade said...

me neither. I don't remember her ever having any around the house.

She likes fudge... but I dunno if she's allowed stuff like that.

John H. D. Watson said...

You could get her a card anyway. Maybe some magazines?

REReader said...

My father was mainly bored and tired when he was in rehab--is there anything she likes to do? Knit, or word puzzles, or anything along those lines?

Greg Lestrade said...

Yeah - she loves those completely shitty gossip mags, with all the 'real life' stories.

RR - no, not really. Not like being in a drunken stupor most of the time is that compatible with lots of hobbies.

pandabob said...

maybe she needs encouraging into some hobbies Greg? something to fill her time and her mind with rather than her focusing on what's not there anymore?

A few puzzle books and something to read might do her some good :-)

REReader said...

I'm sorry.

Greg Lestrade said...

AnonyBob - yeah, you're right, I'll call Nicky in the morning, see if we can think of something she might enjoy. Or at least have a try at. She's not very good at trying new things - think she always feels like if she can't do it she'll be made fun of. Which I can understand completely.

RR - nothing to be sorry for. We'll see if we can think of something. Or maybe the docs and nurses can suggest things she'll be able to manage.

Kestrel337 said...

Encouraging a new hobby is always good. My grandmother loves to watch movies, although that's mostly a sitting still sort of thing so maybe not to be encouraged as part of a recovery plan.

Anonymous said...

Good evening gentlemen. I'm a little late on the posting (I think I'm 5 hrs behind you) but I just wanted to say, Sherlock, that it sounds to me like you had an amazing day today. Mr. Berns sounds like he gave a really interesting talk. I think art restoration is really cool profession and I'd love to be able to paint. As it is, I can barely draw a straight line with a ruler!

Greg, good luck with your visit tomorrow. It's never an easy thing visiting someone when they are ill, and your Mom's situation seems to be much more difficult. But, hang in there, and don't ever be afraid to ask for help or a hug - I know there's one doctor who'd be more than willing to help you in whatever manner you need.

Good sleep everyone.

LyricalSinger

pandabob said...

I can understand her feeling like that about new stuff Greg, does she have a room of her own in the new place? privacy to give new things a go might help :-)

Maybe if she took up kniting John could have two jumpers next Christmas ;-)

Small Hobbit said...

There's always the classic toiletries - talc, soap.

John H. D. Watson said...

Audiobooks?

Greg Lestrade said...

Yeah, she's never read much, she might enjoy that. Or might take it as a massive insult...won't know unless we try, right?

Greg Lestrade said...

AnonyBob - yeah, she does have a room of her own, but I don't think they're encouraged to be alone much. Which I'm glad about, really.

I know it's good she's getting better...but I'm terrified of what she'll do when she's discharged back to her own place.

pandabob said...

one step at a time Greg, that's all you can do. Try not to worry about what might happen later just look at what you can do now. Provide her with things to do, talk to her and let her talk to you and then hope that this time she'll get there.

Good luck with your visit and I hope you manage to sleep tonight rather than spending it worrying. :-)

Greg Lestrade said...

Yeah, you're right. Thanks.

Hope you get some sleep too.

Kestrel - my Nonna used to watch movies - black and white English movies, with Croatian subtitles, to practice her English. She could just get a TV signal across the Adriatic. But it just meant she spoke a really odd old fashioned and American-influenced sort of English!

pandabob said...

I hope you all slept ok.

Have a nice day together you two :-)

Enjoy school Sherlock.

REReader said...

Good morning, Anony!

And good morning, gentlemen. Here's wishing everyone a great day. :)

Greg Lestrade said...

Could just do with an hour or two more sleep...

Sherlock's excited about seeing his Mum, which is lovely. And me and Danger are looking forward to getting out on the bikes.

Hope you all have a good day too.

Small Hobbit said...

Safe travel guys and watch out for cross winds. My usual indicator for how windy it is, the old Severn bridge, has lane closures.

Greg Lestrade said...

Cheers. Already given Danger a lecture about cross winds catching him or riding next to high-siders. We will take it easy.

Greg Lestrade said...

We're in Bristol. Bit wet round the edges, and I need coffee before going to the home. But otherwise fine, if windswept.

pandabob said...

coffee and a warm up sounds like a good plan after a ride :-)

I hope the visit with your mum is positive if not perfect.

Greg Lestrade said...

She's still got the ability to both be annoyed I haven't been to see her more, and make it feel like she'd rather I wasn't here.

But then I know where she gets that from, so I can't really blame her.

Sherlock sent a message earlier saying I could join his painting club if I was 'responsible'...I assume Mrs N means 'responsible adult helping out'...not that she just thinks I'm generally irresponsible.

Small Hobbit said...

Hmmm, considering what Sherlock probably tells Mrs N about you, I'm not sure that it isn't the latter that applies ;)

REReader said...

I'm sorry your visit didn't go better. Is she happier in the new facility, anyway?

And heh! Yeah, either that or Mrs N said that any students in such a club would have to behave responsibly if they were to have one. :)

(FYI: If anyone was wondering, 3 hours sleep is insufficient. There, that's saved someone an experiment!)

John H. D. Watson said...

She's probably heard about that wheelie at Mycroft's school...

Anonymous said...

Does that give us an indication of what her parents were like?

pandabob said...

That is quite an impressive skill really don't you think Greg? I'm glad you've come away from the visit feeling sort of ok about it.

I'm not sure what the right interpretation of Sherlock's message is but doing fun activities with him has got to be a good thing :-)

Greg Lestrade said...

Anon - no, not her parents, but most of her partners. Just like Bry did in the end - moaned I worked too much ( which I did) but treat me like shit when I was home.

Danger- you think schools share info on parents - they ought to!

REReader said...

I suspect and world-wide education information underground. *peers around suspiciously*

Greg Lestrade said...

Home - very quiet flat, without Sherlock.

Think we might be lazy and eat fish and chips later. It's nice having a bit of time to decompress with the doc.

REReader said...

Is he coming home tonight, or is he staying overnight with his mother?

pandabob said...

Quiet sounds good Greg :-)

Enjoy your time together.

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